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bottom line is this, I think we can all deal with losses I mean we have dealt with worse seasons as louisville fans and the parts of this season that's so embarassing is the lack of preparation which is a direct reflection on our coach...... So to say we did not have the talent is not the reason for our season turning out this way........ we have done more with less under John l. (who by the way I couldn't stand) our offense became really bad and we had everyone back so there is no reason for the way we were running that......as for the defense it was actually alot better once the players learned the system which again goes to preparation because those issues should have been addressed before the season in scrimmages, I know the games were not the first place they were screwing up the defense, but the bottom line was they had no fire this year just like our coach they had that deer in the head lights look
    
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#1 Amobi wasnt a repeat offender like WIlliams and Spillman and he wasnt caught red handed. #2 Amobi admitted during a pre-draft interview[ (b]AFTER[/b] his U of L career was over) to trying marijuana once while at U of L and that was the first anyone knew about it. So how is bringing that up adding any logic to what I said? We dont know when Amobi smoked weed, only that it was during his 4-years at Louisville. Where are you getting iniformation that it happened last year? Your attempt at telling me what my logic means to you and what is factual are far off. There wasnt even a rumor that Amobi smoked pot let alone any evidence that he was a habitual user while Petrino was his coach. So how does that point add anything to this thread? As far as what Kragthorpe was forced to deal with, there was a very public incident with Willie WIlliams (who didnt have a strike to give while at Louisville) and some other details of that incident that werent public wether you knew about it or not, several U of L players were in the car when it was stopped, one who ran. Quote:
I will say it now. Yes someone in the football program (Williams) who smokes weed then gets caught with that illegal substance has to face some penalty, I cant even believe your are defending that. Spillman already had a marijuana case pending and couldnt afford a 2nd strike. When a high profile football player gets caught eating marijuana and a guy bolts from the car running a 4.4 40 away from the scene, yes the coach is forced to deal with that issue. Kragthorpe dealt with that issue effectively but unfortunately it hurt the offense at a time when Allen was hurt and Spencer was hurt, he was forced to suspend Spillman and Strippling, (see above incident )
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I cant believe were arguing the marijuana suspension issue. If someone is smoking pot, and gets caught they deserve to be suspended. Its not like WW or Spillman were trying to keep shady behavior behind closed doors. The guys were out driving around for crying out loud. I feel 100000% positive that Petrino would have handled the situations the same way. Okoye admitted it after the fact, and he didnt continue to partake.
Far as a different outcome @ USF-didnt we only score ONE more point than the last visit down there? They put 44 on our much better defense back in '05. As for 13-0 with Petrino I have to agree with bling on that. No way we would be sitting undefeated at this point with all the injuries/suspensions/etc taking place. I could see a W at UK, and I dont think we would have dropped the home game vs Syracuse.
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I just find it hilarious that everyone is buying into a damn plant as the cause for the first sub-.500 season in a decade of Louisville football. I also find it hilarious that Petrino somehow managed a combination of ignoring the problem, covering up the problem, making sure his players were smart enough to not go out and do it in public, and providing the weed, all while making his team model citizens and WINNERS during nearly his entire tenure.
We heard about players getting caught shooting BB guns at civilians (and being punished), but somehow he managed to keep all this terrible weed under the rug? I'd say it's more likely that Petrino either had enough respect to demand that his players didn't pull this stupidity or - like a lot of other Americans - realized that weed wasn't the end of the world as long as the players were responsible about using it (just like folks can be responsible or irresponsible with alochol). He probably also had enough respect to ask them not to use it during the season... Why, with this new coaching staff, is weed such an issue? Was it just discovered? Did all these upper-classmen just decide in the last 10 months to turn into pot heads? Or is something else at issue? I'm just rambling here... stunned, I guess, that anyone really believes that disciplinary issues with marijuana were the cause of a 5-6 record.
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11-20-2007, 05:57 PM
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Bling, if you don't think that Petrino could do any better with this team than Krag has done then you either haven't watched any games or you are delusional.
I would gladly trade Cardalum for teencard anyday. And I do agree with Lindy that the suspensions were just a distraction. Williams was appropriate. But, I dont necessarily agree with the rest.
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Oh, and Krag sucks. As if my avatar doesnt clear up the way I feel about him, lol. Just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt considering all the crap that has happened this year, and I know he will be around for at least one more.
With a different DC and OC, maybe Krag could go above .500 next year?
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Lol!
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I agree. This isn't directed at Bling directly, so I don't want to anyone to think I'm taking shots are their opinion, but Petrino was a coach of preperation and focus. His game planning and scouting were more than outstanding, they were unbelievable. He utilized his teams strengths and exposed weakness in the opposition. This year we just did what we do. I think it's painfully obvious that we didn't prepare as well from opponent to opponent than we had in the past. So far as the pot goes, if a player gets caught smoking, he should be suspended or heavily punished (depending on the coach and his method of discipline). You don't always have to suspend or boot a guy for doing something stupid. People are not all the same so I'm a firm believer in case by case treatment. I use it for the guys who work for me and it has served me well. Honestly, I hope we get a new coach.....or K stays and dumps the entire staff and tells everyone to piss off, this is his team and that's that. Whoever takes the reigns (no pun intended) needs to put their stamp on the team and put the past where it belongs....in the trophy case. If K does stay, I'm not sure he can get the fans back on his side, but he'll have nothing to lose if he does what he has to. We are sort of rudderless right now, the program needs direction. Freddy
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