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Signed, Joe Camel As for the self-check, I'd gladly do it just because I don't have to wait behind the 3 women who ALWAYS seem to be in the two full service lines and apparently shopping to feed the Warren Jeffs compound or the entire UofL offensive line. I'm typically faster at it than the cashiers they have, at least until the computers start sucking donkey balls. It's like the grocery stores thought they could just toss a computer in the store and then pocket all the profits on shit-canning the 5 teenagers who they used to pay minimum wage. Sorry to tell you, guys, but there are going to be some maintenance costs.
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I am so sick and tired of what has happened to this country in the last 30 years that I am a staunch Obama supporter. Hell I don't know if he would be a good pres, but dear God we certainly need a change in direction. Not just from the 8 years of the Village Idiot but from the corporate stranglehold that corporate greed has on Washington. I know McCain will change nothing and a good chance that Obama won't but at least he offers a sliver of hope. In addition, I KNOW that he can help rebuilding some respect for the US around the world.
I only use the self-scan registers at the store. That way I know I am not going to have to put up with another idiot, as I have to put up with so many during my day. Did you know that there are currently 10,000 offshhore drilling leases that are not being used? Why you ask, because we don't have any available drilling rigs. The point, this has become a major campaign platform of McCain. I absolutely hate some people in this country painting those of us against the war in Iraq as unpatriotic. I have very little use for TV these days outside of UL sports. I truly miss the great newspapers that this country used to have. The CJ was one of the best, the Atl Constitution, the Miami Herald. All aren't worth wiping your ass with nowadays. Public transportation outside of the major metro areas is a joke. The people from Europe that are coming to the FEI games at the Horse Park in 2010 (a very big deal) think they can land in Cincy or Lou and take the train to Lex. Enough for now, but I think this is a great thread to vent in, I hope we don't start any arguments and just use it for venting. Oh yeah, I don't know who said it, too lazy to scroll up, but I absolutely hate it when someone asks me "what's wrong", just STFU because it is probably you.
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You suck. :-) Freddy
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I was humming the national anthem while reading your post, you made some solid points I am vothing for Obama also although I have figured out it's for the same reason Bush was elected. Americans were so mad about Bill Clinton the took it out on the Democrats. After the debacle of the last 8-years there is no way I would vote for McCain just to spite the rich, snobish Republicans that put Bush in office not once but twice. There are around 55 million registered Republicans and around 72 million registered Democrats so I see no way McCain wins.
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08-20-2008, 10:54 PM
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Sorry, guys. I'm in no way a big fan of McCain, but after reading an editorial in Tuesday's WSJ about Obama's tax plan, I'm scared to death of this man. If this editorial is true, then he is nothing more than a modern-day Robin Hood. He wants to offer more taxes on people who work for a living and give it to those who are too lazy to work. Apart from that, I haven't really seen any definitive plans to turn around this economy.
Anyway, here is the article, althought it is written by a Republican who serves under the other Bush... Obama's Tax Plan Is Really a Welfare Plan By PETER FERRARA August 19, 2008; Page A17 Barack Obama's tax plan is the opposite of supply-side economics. He proposes to raise marginal rates for just about every federal tax. He also proposes a raft of tax credits that taxpayers can receive if they engage in various government-specified activities. Moreover, the tax credits would mostly go to those who pay little or nothing in federal income taxes. His trick is to make the tax credits "refundable." Thus, if the tax credit is for $1,000, but the taxpayer would otherwise only pay $200 in taxes, the government would write a check to the taxpayer for $800. If the taxpayer pays nothing in federal income taxes, the government would pay him the whole $1,000. Such credits are not tax cuts. Indeed, they should be called The New Tax Welfare. In effect, Mr. Obama is proposing to create or expand a slew of government spending programs that are disguised as tax credits. The spending on these programs is then subtracted from the total tax burden, in order to make the claim that his tax plan is a net tax cut overall. On the tax side of the ledger, the details released by his campaign last week confirm what a President Obama has in mind for our most productive citizens. The top individual income tax rate, for example, would be increased by 13%, to 39.6%; the next-highest rate would be raised to 36%. The top rates on capital gains and dividends would rise by a third, to 20% The Social Security payroll tax would be raised between 16% to 32% for families making over $250,000 a year. This means that the real returns these people get from their lifetime payments into the retirement program will be driven below 0%, according to my own previous research, which was published by the Cato Institute and elsewhere. Mr. Obama also wants a permanent federal estate tax, with a top rate of 45%; his health-insurance plan includes a new payroll tax on employers; and he also contemplates several increases in the corporate income tax, including a new so-called windfall profits tax on oil companies. Then there is the spending side of the ledger. Mr. Obama proposes a fully refundable Making Work Pay Tax Credit, which would have the government pay out $500 to each worker and $1,000 to couples -- reminiscent of George McGovern's 1972 election proposal for the government to send a $1,000 check to everyone. His American Opportunity Tax Credit would provide a $4,000, fully refundable tax credit for college tuition expenses. His Mortgage Interest Tax Credit would provide a 10% credit -- refundable -- to offset mortgage interest payments for lower- and middle-income families. His Health Care Tax Credits, which the campaign says "will ensure that health insurance is available and affordable for all families," include "a new refundable 50 percent health tax credit on employee premiums paid by employers." Currently existing tax credits would also become spending programs in the Obama tax program. The Savers Credit would be made fully refundable, and would be expanded, according to the campaign, "to match 50% of the first $1,000 of savings for families that earn under $75,000." The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit would be made refundable and expanded to allow "low-income families to receive up to a 50 percent credit on the first $6,000 of child care expenses." The Earned Income Tax Credit is already refundable. Mr. Obama would expand it to "increase the number of working parents eligible for EITC benefits, increase the benefits available to noncustodial parents who fulfill their child support obligations, increase benefits for families with three or more children, and reduce the EITC marriage penalty, which hurts low-income families." In short, welfare spending is to be increased by paying more money out to low-income income tax filers. The latest Congressional Budget Office data shows the bottom 40% of income earners already pays no income taxes. Indeed, they receive a net payment from the federal income tax system -- meaning from the taxpayers -- equal to 3.8% of all federal income taxes, because of the refundable tax credits under current law. The middle 20% of income earners, the true middle class, pays 4.4% of federal income taxes. Overall, the bottom 60% of income earners pay less than 1% of federal income taxes on net. When "tax credits" primarily go to this group in the form of checks from the government (rather than a reduction in their tax burden) it is simply an abuse of the language to call the spending a tax cut. Consequently, to say, as the campaign does say, that the candidate's tax plan is a tax cut on net -- and that it would limit taxes to 18.2% of GDP -- is grossly misleading. The Obama tax plan would sharply increase real taxes. It also would come nowhere near to paying for the massive increases in federal spending he has proposed, including the spending that is disguised in the form of refundable tax credits. Mr. Ferrara is director of entitlement and budget policy for the Institute for Policy Innovation. He served in President Reagan's White House Office of Policy Development, and as associate deputy attorney general under the President George H.W. Bush.
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Look, I've got certain information, certain things have come to light, and uh, has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new shit, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh--you know? Last edited by AACardFan; 08-20-2008 at 10:59 PM.
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08-20-2008, 10:56 PM
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AA, check the library's online research tools. They usually have full-text articles in their research database. Or, if you know the title, I can look it up and post it.
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You may very well be right about Obamas plan being scary, I am still voting for him.
What exactly was Bush's plan? If we can endure 8-years of no plan I'd still go with a plan. Bush's plan was print more money.
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Well I said I didn't want to argue, but I have two points.
Under the fiscally responsible Republicans our country is in the worst economic shape since the depression. (over 90% of the debt in this country was incurred under the 12 years of the Bush's presidencies.) The WSJ is nothing but a tool of the ultra-right. Not name-dropping but I know the family that just sold it, they are somewhere between Attila the Hun and Hitler. (I didn't say we were friends). You are 100% correct bling, the neo-cons plan for salvation was print more money, unfortunately the only thing they saved was their pension plans.
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